Tonya appeared on Larry King Live for the second time on June 6, 2000 to discuss what really happened during the hubcap incident, her arrest and community service afterwards. Below is a transcript of the show thanks to CNN. Pictures and videoclips will be posted soon.
LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, Tonya Harding, skating on thin ice, again?
Tonya is here for an exclusive interview, and we'll take your call, and
she's next on LARRY KING LIVE. Good evening. She's with us in her town of Portland, Oregon. She's Tonya Harding, the
famed ice skater, who's latest problems dealt with a guilty plea and a
sentence in May for an altercation with her boyfriend. We're going to deal
with all of that and lots of things, and take your phone calls. Tonya, do you think there's, for want of a better term, a kind of dark
cloud following you around? TONYA HARDING, ICE SKATER: Well, I think I go through life, and I have
its ups and downs, but it makes me a stronger person. KING: Do you blame yourself? Do you say things that have happened a lot
my fault? HARDING: I do. I do. I take full responsibility for my actions. And you
know, I've been through a lot in my life, but I think it makes me a better
person today. If I can help one person out there be able to realize that
the things that I've been through they wouldn't want to be going through
either. KING: What would you say, Tonya, since it's become so public, is your
biggest problem? Is it anger? HARDING: No. KING: We've had famous stories this week with John Rocker and Bobby
Knight, other people in sports, very adept at what they do, who have
trouble with anger management. HARDING: I really don't know how to answer that. KING: You don't know. Do you anger frequently? HARDING: No, I don't really have a problem with anger. I'm usually the
one who always tries to control everybody else and keep everybody calm.
That way there is no problems. And if there is a problem, I always usually
either walk away or a find an authority person to be able to help out.
KING: So what happened with Darren on May 18, your boyfriend? HARDING: Actually, it was on February 22, and... KING: Oh, you were -- I'm sorry -- sentenced on May 18, but it occurred
in February. I'm sorry -- go ahead. HARDING: Yes. Yes. Well, I was not really in the right state of mind,
and I had believed at the time that he had pushed me to the ground, and so
I punched him to get away from him. And now I look back on it, and things
-- finding out things from my doctor, with the medications that I was on
was a very probable cause of why this had happened, but I am very, very
sorry to him, and his family and his friends that were involved in this. I
know that we all wish that this never would have happened and that we
could just go on with our lives. KING: What medication were you on? HARDING: Well, I take Zoloft for clinical depression. And when I was in
my car accident, I was taking Hydrocodone for back pain, and I had foot
surgery also. KING: Now does Zoloft, which is a major depressant, does that not mix
with painkillers? HARDING: It doesn't mix with painkillers, but also being my own fault
and why I take responsibility for my own actions is because I had been
drinking alcohol that evening, and I never should have been drinking
alcohol, and didn't really even think about it at time because it was
several hours later after I had taken it, so I didn't think it would be a
problem. KING: Obviously, those three don't mix? HARDING: They do not mix at all. And, you know, I just feel really bad
about what happened. And from this whole thing, I've lost everything. I
have lost my skating. I still teach, but I had an Ice Capades deal that
was in the works for a tour, and I had a radio program show that was in
the works also, and then I also lost my best friend. KING: Your boyfriend? HARDING: I mean, Darren and I were very much in love and had a very
good life going for us, and he was my best friend, and I lost him too.
KING: And he asked for no penalty for you, and he asked that you be
forgiven, but one of the laws of the court is that you have to stay away
from him? HARDING: No, that was only during the pretrial. KING: I see. Is there a chance you two might get back together?
HARDING: I really don't know. I hope that we can just be friends, and
hopefully, you know, if God allows us to be together, it would be between
him and I; it is not between anyone else, you know. KING: I remember when last we spoke, I thought you were going to be
with Ice Capades. HARDING: No, I lost that deal. KING: Because of this? HARDING: Well, because of this, but because of "The Globe" article that
came out. When "The Globe" came out, it had a photograph -- and I'll show
it to you -- and this is what the globe did, and... KING: Hold it up a little so we can see it. HARDING: I'm sorry. This is what they said that I did to him, and this
is a fraudulent picture, which "The Globe" has now admitted to national
television that they did this to me, and it was horrible for me to see
this, and I also have the picture that was actually taken by the police
department that night here in my hand. KING: Can we see that? HARDING: This is actually when I punched him once, and this is what he
looked like that night. The police officer took this, and then the next
day, the police officer also took this one, and this is what he looked
like. KING: So obviously, that was wrong picture in "The Globe." HARDING: Yes. KING: But why doesn't Ice Capades then reconsider? HARDING: They haven't reconsidered that I know of. No one has contacted
Linda. Linda is my godparents -- Linda and Greg are my godparents, and
also now she is my manager through LGL Public Relations, and we have...
KING: You would think if that was the reason, not the altercation, but
that picture, which is certainly a damaging-looking picture -- and "The
Globe" admits that that was tampered with and not the true picture -- why
don't they consider taking you back? HARDING: I don't know. I haven't heard anything from them. But I have
had some other offers. I have another radio program that's on the Internet
with iata.com, and I'm actually going to be doing two shows this week, one
on Thursday and one on Friday, and it's actually www.iata.com, and it's
going to be really fun, I'm really excited about that. and I also am
three-quarters of the way through with my book, and Linda Prowse (ph) of
Canada, who did Elizabeth Manley's best-seller, and also... KING: She's writing with you? HARDING: Yes, she's my writer, and we are
looking for a publisher at this time. KING: We'll be right back with more of Tonya Harding. As we go to break, here's what happened that night in the 911 call she
made -- listen. (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP) 911 OPERATOR: This is Clark County 911. How can I help you? HARDING: I need you to come over to my house right now. I punched him
in the face because he came after me and put me to the ground. 911 OPERATOR: OK. DARREN SILVER: I did not. 911 OPERATOR: What's his middle name. SILVER: Come on over, police. HARDING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) ... and you pushed me to the ground. SILVER: You're a liar. You're a liar. You are a felon, and I have
nothing to hide. So come on over, officers. HARDING: Come on over. (END AUDIO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Here's what the judge said when he sentenced Tonya on May 18 --
watch. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, MAY 18) UNIDENTIFIED JUDGE: I'm not at all encouraged that you do community
service by means of teaching skating lessons. I don't think you're quite
the role model that should be out, you know, working with youth. If you
want to do that on your own, that's great. I don't think it should be a
court sanction-type thing that you get to do that in lieu of what anybody
else does, and anybody else picks up garbage and litter and improves the
community around here through that way. So, that's occurred in this
community; that's the type of work you're going to do in this community.
(END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Tonya, you got that and three days in jail, 10 days community
service on a work crew, and you had to stay away from alcohol while on two
years' probation. Was that all fair? HARDING: Well, if that's what the
judge thought was fair, then that was fine. I do have to say that the 911
call was not a 911 call. I found out that Darren had called the operator,
and asked him -- them to connect him to the police department. It was
never a 911 call, nor did I ever call the police myself. KING: He placed the call, but you got on the phone, then? HARDING: I went to call Linda and Greg to come get me, because I didn't
have a vehicle and I had no way to leave. KING: You said you were surprised they took you right to jail. Did you
think you would have a couple days before having to spend the three days
in jail? HARDING: Well, I didn't expect to go to jail at all. No one did. But,
you know, I took my responsibility, and I went to jail for three days, and
it was really hard. It was the hardest -- one of the hardest things that
I've ever had to go through. And I just want to tell kids out there, you
know, stay in school, don't drink and drive, don't do drugs, don't get
into trouble, because you don't want to have to going through going into
jail. It's not good at all. KING: Tell us why, Tonya, since it seems to most people that's three
days is a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, what was terrible about three days?
HARDING: Well, I was in isolation, which I did want, but I was in a
6x9, 10, 11 room, with no windows and not being able to talk to anyone
except when I went to the phone, and I got to do that once a day. It was
very hard. I tried to sleep most of the time, and I didn't have my
medication, and I had panic disorder in there, I had panic attacks, and
you don't get the luxuries that you have outside. I like to drink coffee.
Don't have that. Shampoo, conditioner to wash your hair -- you don't get
that. You get one towel. You get two sheets. You don't get a pillow, and
you drink out of a sink that is connected to a toilet. KING: You could only imagine, then, what it's like to do a year, or two
or three? HARDING: I'm never going to get into trouble again, never. I will not
go through that again. Having myself as having a security zone is my home,
and my friends and family, and not having that it was like a nightmare.
KING: Your doctor said, "In my opinion, with the information presented
to me by Ms. Harding, it's probable her erratic behavior was caused by a
combination of prescription medication, alcohol, reportedly not in
excessive amounts, and Aspirin contained in one of her medications." You
took Hydrocodone, a pain medication, Zoloft and Anacin. Have they now
changed your medication? HARDING: I am only on Zoloft right now. And I make sure that whenever I
take something, whether it's for a headache, whether it's for an upset
stomach, I read the labels now, and I make sure that there is no Aspirin
in them, and I don't drink any alcohol, nor will I ever drink any alcohol
while taking these medications ever again. KING: And what about the community service part? Have you done that
yet? HARDING: I am working, doing my community service, and the people I
work for are absolutely wonderful. KING: We see you here at cemetery. What are you doing? Just cleaning
up? HARDING: I was working around the hedge stones, getting ready for
Memorial Day weekend. And after I was done for that, because the weed
thing that I was working was very heavy, and it got really tiring for me,
so they had me plant flowers in the baby section, which was very sad, but
it was fun to be able to be out there, and work and get things ready for
Memorial Day, and now I'm working at different -- two different places,
and I'm doing office work. KING: You think that all works for you, Tonya. I mean, obviously, you
said the jail worked; you never want to be in jail again, doing community
service, is rather humbling for someone who the top of her game as an ice
skater? HARDING: Well, you know, you go through life on a roller coaster, it
has its ups and down, and I'm human, and I'm going to make mistakes and
I'm probably continue to make mistakes. But as long as I learn from them,
then I think that it makes me a better person, and I definitely know that
I am a stronger person now. KING: We'll be right back with more of Tonya Harding. She's with us for
the show, and we'll be taking your phone calls. Tomorrow night, F. Lee Bailey talks about lie detectors and other
things. We'll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: By the way, this was the first time Tonya Harding was ever in
prison. She was spared a prison sentence in the Nancy Kerrigan attack.
You'll remember she was -- pled guilty to hindering prosecution. She was
allowed to skate in the Olympics. Sometimes it looks -- when we mentioned
magnet at the start. There was attack on Nancy and then later Tonya
skidded her truck on ice, landed in a ditch, threatened a lawsuit. She's
had share of some problem. She's obviously trying to come through it. Here's an example of those problems. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold on before you take it. HARDING: Move out of my way! Jesus! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You need to pay a $25 service call. HARDING: You guys, will you go away, please? Jesus Christ, get out of
my way! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Step on the other side if you want. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you going to skate, Tonya? HARDING: I'm taking the day off. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you? HARDING: Don't touch my truck. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Do you think you're hounded, Nancy -- Nancy -- Tonya? Do you
think you're a person who they're sort of out after you, the press and the
like? Do you think you're a target? HARDING: I think I am. I mean, my whole entire life that whenever
something has gone wrong, even when something goes right, I'm always in
the media, and I guess it's just something they have to deal with. You
know, it doesn't matter if it's good or bad, if it's good, they think it's
a publicity stunt; if it's bad they just do not get the facts, and they
jump to conclusions, and they go out there and they embellish on
non-truths to be able to make people want to watch their show. KING: I guess fans would just say, you know, you had it all, why didn't
you just skate? HARDING: Well, I tried to just skate. KING: What was not -- obviously, you had -- you know you have an image
as a bad girl, right? You'll admit that that's an image that you have?
HARDING: It's an image that the media has given me as a bad girl, and
the only reason they gave me that image is just because of the few things
that have gone wrong in my life, and also because I grew up living in a
trailer. I moved around 13 different times before I was in fifth grade,
not having money, not having a lot of friends. My biological mother made
my clothes or bought my clothes from Salvation Army or Goodwill. And so,
you know, that's where the bad girl image came from. KING: Where did you learn -- I mean, in the 1991 nationals where you
won the gold medal, you were the first United States woman to do a triple
axel in competition. Where did you learn to skate so well with that kind
of background? HARDING: Determination, I guess. I love to skate, and I love to jump.
And being as that I have that athletic ability to be able to jump so high,
it gives me, you know, a great pleasure to be able to do that, and it's
really difficult, and it was challenging for me, and I always liked a
challenge. KING: You also had all the judges, because on style, they called you
unladylike, but eventually you won them over, right? But That was your
athletic style, was more aggressive than form-fitting? HARDING: It took me quite a few years, until now, to be able to get my
artistic ability down. I've always been able to jump, and I always had a
little bit of artistic ability, but nowadays, I think that I'm 50/50 now.
KING: Your ex-agent, or your former agent Michael Rosenberg, called you
a tragic figure. Do you agree with that? HARDING: Well, it depends on what he means. KING: Well, tragic things have happened to you? HARDING: Bad things have happened to me in my life, but I believe that
everything happens for a reason, and it makes me a stronger person. It
makes me... KING: And you're not shirking your own blame in a lot of the
happenings, right? I mean, you were involved in the happenings? HARDING: I am involved in what I do, and I take full responsibility for
my actions. KING: We're back with Tonya Harding, who keeps on keeping on. We'll be
including your phone calls. This is LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan are always going to be linked in
the minds of many because of this famous incident before the '94 U.S.
figure skating championships. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, JANUARY 6, 1994) NANCY KERRIGAN, ICE SKATER: Hard, hard black stick, something really,
really hard! Help me! (CRYING) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're going to get you to the doctor. KERRIGAN: I can't move. I can't move. I'm so scared. I'm so scared!
(CRYING) (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: And it's already been discussed. But, Tonya, you pled guilty to
hindering prosecution, but you were not involved in the planning of that,
correct? HARDING: That's correct. KING: Let's take a call -- Atlanta, Georgia, hello. CALLER: Yes, hi, Larry. My question for Tonya is, you're still under psychiatric help, you're
still under psychiatric doctor, is that correct? HARDING: No, I'm not. KING: But you're still taking Zoloft, an antidepressant? HARDING: Yes, and that is through my family doctor. CALLER: So you don't receive psychiatric counseling, you know, like
someone who is, you know, on medication? HARDING: No, I went through six years of counseling with a
psychologist, and I am now taking my medication, and I do that through my
family physician. KING: You have a follow-up, caller? CALLER: Yes, I was just asking -- so they just prescribe a medicine,
but they don't -- you don't receive any type of counseling for your anger
or anything like that. And the reason I'm asking is because I was in a
similar situation, to speak very quickly, as far as arrest, for domestic
violence, and the judge ordered that we go through, my husband and myself,
go through an organization -- won't call the name -- but we're going
through counseling once a week. It's really not counseling; it's just
something like, you know, anger management, whatever stems from it, your
background, because some people grow up in hostile and they bring it into
relationships. HARDING: Right. Right. Well, I'm going to be getting evaluated. KING: Thank you, caller. Don't you think, Tonya, I mean, honestly, that you do need some help?
HARDING: Well, that's why I'm on my medication. KING: I know, but I mean, if it's the family doctor prescribing it --
and Zoloft is a wonderful medication, there's no doubt about that. HARDING: Well, I've been on Zoloft since 1996. KING: And it's obviously been a help to you. HARDING: Yes it has. KING: So the mistake you made here was mixing it with the wrong
medications. HARDING: Mixing it with the wrong medication and with alcohol, which
they should never be mixed at all. KING: Another problem you are going to have, Tonya, is living this
down, right? As you start to rebuild your life, and as hopefully you
continue to skate and the like, you're always going to have a tough time
knocking this tag off, don't you think? HARDING: Well, I don't think so. I mean, everyone out in America goes
through problems, and they have problems in the households, and as long as
you learn from your mistakes and you go on with them, I'll always remember
this, because I lost everything from it, including my best friend and the
person who I love more than anything in this entire world, and so I have a
constant reminder of it. But as long as I learn from my mistakes, then I
think I can go on and hopefully put this behind me, along with everyone
else. KING: You still love Darren Silver. HARDING: Yes I do, very much. KING: As we go to break, here was Nancy Kerrigan back in '94 commenting
on the incident -- watch. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, JANUARY 7, 1994) KERRIGAN: When I went through the curtain, for some reason I must have
heard something behind me. I turned around, and when I was turning I saw
just someone was running by me, and he just, like, whacked me with this
long black, like, stick, and it was really hard. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: We're back with Tonya Harding. As part of a postscript to all of this, her boyfriend says he's
forgiven her in his heart. The police department says that her supervisors
reports she has been exemplary. We go to Mammoth Lake, California for Tonya Harding. Hello. CALLER: Hello there. KING: Hi. HARDING: Hi. CALLER: Hi, Tonya. HARDING: Hello. CALLER: My question for you is, well obviously, you've
had a lot of pain and controversy and negativity throughout your entire
life. I've followed your stories, and I would only think that being in the
spotlight would amplify that, and yet you continue to push yourself in the
public eye with the books, and the TV deals and the talk shows... (CROSSTALK) HARDING: Well, I have to tell you, I haven't done any interviews
whatsoever except LARRY KING. I stayed out of the media for two and a half
years, until I had my car accident, and you know, there's nothing that I
can do about keeping the media away from me. No matter what I do, you
know, it's there. KING: All right, let's elaborate on it. Maybe she means, though,
instead of writing a book, or doing a television or radio show, teach
skating, meet a guy, relax, live a life, play it down. HARDING: I was doing that. I was doing that. I was very happy. Darren
and I had a great life. I was teaching skating, and my agent was Michael
Rosenberg, and he had gotten me several deals, because there is so many
fans out there who wanted to see me skate again, and because I love to
skate. That's what I am good at. And so I went back out and did the
comeback at the pro championships, and I guess, you know, doing my book, I
have to make a living, I have lost everything, and so I have to make a
living somehow. I have one student left after this article came out --
one. So somehow I have to... KING: Plus what you do is skate, right? Skating is what you do. HARDING: Skating is what I know, and skating is what I love to do. And
doing the book is what I have to do. KING: For yourself? HARDING: For myself, yes. It's actually kind of being able to put my
whole life behind me, get it out there psychologically, get it out there,
and be able to put my bad times and my past behind me and start fresh.
KING: Do you have any thoughts as to why apparently, maybe it seems
only of late, so many athletes in all fields of endeavor seem to be having
problems off the ice, off the field, off the court? HARDING: I really don't know. KING: It seems like a lot more of them, doesn't it? HARDING: It does. It does. It's sad. KING: Do you think there are more pressures on athletes? HARDING: I think there's a lot of pressures on athletes these days.
There is more money involved, and that I think has a lot to do with it
also, and politics. KING: Canyon Country, California, hello. CALLER: Hi, Tonya HARDING: Hi, how are you? CALLER: Fine. I have known you for many, many years. KING: Who are you? CALLER: I'm a mother of another skater. KING: Oh, OK. What's your question? CALLER: I want to find out if Tonya is practicing every day? HARDING: No, I'm not. I actually haven't skated for myself since --
what was it, Christmas Eve. KING: Really? HARDING: Really. KING: Caller, you're the mother of another skater who has skated
against Tonya? HARDING: No, I'm the mother of a boy skater. KING: Oh, I see. CALLER: That Tonya knows. KING: And what do you think of the whole Tonya situation? CALLER: Well, I've known Tonya since she was 9 years old, and she's
always been a very polite, well-mannered girl around me. KING: Were you surprised then that all this has happened to her? CALLER: Yes. I've been very, very sad about the whole thing. KING: And do you think if you ran Ice Capades, you would hire her back
and let her come and skate for you? CALLER: Tonya is a wonderful skater. She's a wonderful girl. She's had
some real hardships, and I think that she should have another chance. KING: Well, do you hope most people that -- I guess, do you think most
people feel that way, Tonya? Do you think people want to give you another
chance? HARDING: Well, from when I get on my Web sites, I've had over three
million hits on my Web sites, and there has been so much positive coming
in, that people want to see me skate again, and that's the reason why I
have wanted to skate, is for my fans. If I don't ever skate again, it
would be OK with me; as long as I can teach skating and teach kids how to
skate, then that fulfills my dreams. KING: Do you -- you've met with Nancy Kerrigan, didn't you? HARDING: Yes, I did. KING: What happened at that meeting? HARDING: Well, at least I got to apologize to her face to face, and
that meant more to me than doing it through TV, or through interviews or
something else, because then it doesn't seem that it's sincere. KING: What did she say? HARDING: I really don't remember what she said, but I don't think it
was received very well. But at least I apologized to her. KING: So at least you're satisfied in your mind that you were able to
see her and tell her? HARDING: Yes. KING: Tonya, are you very religious? HARDING: Yes, I am. I have a very strong faith. And without my strong
faith in the lord, through this whole time, since this incident happened
with Darren and I, it has made me a lot stronger, and I do believe that
the Lord watches over me, and he makes sure that he's never late for
anything. KING: But you must have with things that have happened to you some
doubts about him watching over you? HARDING: No, because I think he puts me through these things to make me
a stronger person and to be able to help other people out there. KING: We'll be right back with more of Tonya Harding and more of your
phone calls on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. F. Lee Bailey tomorrow night. Don't go away. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, JANUARY 27, 1994) HARDING: I had no prior knowledge of the planned assault on Nancy
Kerrigan. I am responsible, however, for failing -- excuse me -- for
failing to report things I learned about the assault when I returned home
from nationals. Many of you will be unable to forgive me for that. It will
be difficult to forgive myself. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: By the way, Tonya is banned from amateur competition, finished
second, however, in ESPN's Pro Skating Championships last year. Let's go
back to the calls. Brownwood, Texas, for Tonya Harding, hello. CALLER: Yes, I would like to know, Tonya, that you say that you were
raised in a trailer park and that you had the bad girl image. Did you feel
that you had to act that out in any kind of way? KING: Good question. HARDING: No, just whenever people always, you know, came out and used
me in the media, they always said that, and so I was always portrayed as
the bad girl image, and just because I drive a truck, I like to fish, I
like to four-wheel drive, I like to drive motorcycles, I mean, I'm kind of
like a tomboy, they gave me a bad girl image. I wasn't the ice princess
that everyone wanted me to be. KING: You're not the snow queen. HARDING: That's right. KING: Do you have brothers or sisters? HARDING: No I don't. KING: What did you -- did you have a good family relationship with mom
and dad? HARDING: Growing up I did not. I was always daddy's little girl growing
up, but my mother was an alcoholic and used to beat me all the time,
and... KING: Are they both living now? HARDING: Yes, they are both living. I speak to my father every once in
a while, who -- he lives down by the beach, but I do not speak to my
biological mother anymore because of the things that she did to me, even
as an adult. KING: Did your father remarry? HARDING: No he didn't. KING: Philadelphia, hello. CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, Tonya. KING: Hi. HARDING: Hi. CALLER: Tanya, don't you think that your figure skating let you down as
early as 1989 when they sent Kristi Yamaguchi to worlds ahead of you, and
didn't you feel that that sort of lead to a series of your really trying
to overachieve, including being the first American woman and the only one
yet to have had a triple axel in competition? KING: Another excellent
question, because that was a big dispute at the time. Many thought you
should have gone. Do you think that laid the ground for a lot of the
problems? HARDING: It's OK. KING: No. HARDING: It's OK. I mean, I've felt like I've always had to work harder
than everybody to achieve my goals, and I think it had a lot to do with
because I didn't have money being -- you know, when I was being raised,
and I never had the money to have the good costumes, the expensive
costumes, and I think that has a lot to do with it, you know. I had to do
what I had to do to make it by. I made my own costumes or my mother made
my own costumes, you know. KING: It is safe to say you were not an establishment skater? HARDING: I don't understand the question? KING: I mean, like the world powers that be in skating, you were not
their kind of skater? HARDING: No, I guess not. They wanted an ice princess, and I was the
young girl from the other side of the tracks, I guess. And I always spoke
my mind, always had the music that I wanted, the dresses that I wanted,
and it just always seemed that it wasn't good enough for skating society.
But I wasn't going to let anyone stop me from doing what I loved to do,
which was skate, and being the first woman to do the triple axel in
America was the ultimate for me. I mean, I achieved it, and I felt great
about it. KING: Every right to. San Francisco, hello. CALLER: Hi. I want to congratulate you, Tonya. I think you are a very strong,
terrific woman, and you are a role model, because you show people how to
get up when they are way down. What I'd like to know is... HARDING: Well, thank you. CALLER: ... who is giving you guidance and direction now, because I
think you've been surrounded by a lot of users and exploiters. Who do you
seek for guidance, professionally and personally? HARDING: My godparents, definitely, and the Lord. I have very good
people that are around me now, and have been for the last three years, and
my godparents are the people that I look up to and ask for advice. KING: How -- were they your godparents from birth? HARDING: No, since
1995. KING: How did that work out? How did you get to get godparents as an
adult? HARDING: Well, because, when we were in church on Easter Sunday, we
went up to the pastor and asked him to bless me with them as my godparents
as an adult, and I'm actually looking forward to being baptized one of
these days very soon. I know it may seem silly, but I think that's what I
have to do for myself. KING: Is your father angry at that? HARDING: No, he's not. He's not at all. We're all very close. KING: How did you meet the godparents? HARDING: They are songwriters, and they met my father first, and they
sang at my banquet, my fan club banquet, and that's how I met them. KING: Well, they could be terrific for you, right, I mean, very
important for you? HARDING: They are terrific people. And without them, I probably would
not be here today on a couple of my downs where I've hit rock bottom. If
it wasn't for them, I probably would not be here. KING: We'll be back with more of Tonya Harding on this edition of LARRY
KING LIVE. Don't go away. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: That was one of the most watched television events in history,
when Tonya skate and broke her leg in '94. What was that like, to fall?
HARDING: I'm sorry. KING: What is it like to fall? I guess it's the skater's worst fear.
HARDING: Actually you just fall down, and you get back up and you keep
going, because when you compete and make one mistake, it's not just that
one mistake, it's the whole entire program that they judge you on. KING: You didn't know the lace was going to break, though, right? HARDING: No, I had no idea my lace was going to break, but when it did,
I tried to replace it with one, and it was about 12 inches too short, and
so I ended up lacing up my boots as best as I could, leaving eyelets and
holes undone, and I went out there, and there was no way that it would
hold me. KING: To Winnipeg, Manitoba, hello. CALLER: Hello. HARDING: Hello. CALLER: I just first of all wanted to make a statement that you made a
comment earlier you only had one student left. And I don't think you have
the right to teach skating anymore because you're not a role model. I've
skated very competitively when the Nancy Kerrigan incident happened, and I
lost all respect for you. HARDING: That's OK. CALLER: You say that you're taking full responsibility for your
actions. HARDING: Yes, I do. That's OK; that's your opinion. CALLER: You say you're taking full responsibility, and yet all you're
doing is just saying it's the media's fault and because you were labeled a
bad girl skater, and you seem to be placing the blame on everyone
else. HARDING: No, I take full responsibility for my own actions. I said that
the always media tends to come in and embellish on non- truths instead of
facts. Before they know the facts, they'll go out there and they will have
a story, and they'll do anything they can to make that story right. But
without the truth... KING: Let me ask the caller -- can I ask you a question? CALLER: Yes. KING: Does a teacher of skating, or teacher of baseball or football
have to be a role model, or just a good teacher? CALLER: Well, I think as a teacher, you have to be a little bit of
both, and someone like Tonya Harding, when she puts herself in a national
limelight or international limelight, I think she then takes on the
responsibility of being a role model to all the thousands of young skaters
who look up to her. I just don't feel that she's set any sort of example
for any of those young skaters that looked up to her at that time. KING: Tonya, how would you respond? HARDING: That's her own opinion. But I can tell thought three million
people that are on my Web sites that read, call in, you know, and write
into me saying they want to see me skate and they want me to teach the
kids; the kids really look up to me as a coach, and I think that being one
of the world's best skaters in America, even today, entitles me to be able
to teach skating. KING: Are you good coach? HARDING: Yes, I am. I am. My kids loved me. KING: Great skaters doesn't
mean you're a great coach. Usually in other sports, sometimes the best
coaches are the ones who are not the best athletes. HARDING: Right, right. My kids that I was working with absolutely
adored me, and I have to say that the reason why I lost my students is,
one, two of them were USFSA skaters, which I let them go to another coach,
because I can't teach him in the ability that they needed to be able to go
to competition for USFSA, and two kids also quit, but I still do have
other students that only skate in the summertime. KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with Tonya Harding, who
keeps coming to the battle, right after this. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Oyster Bay, New York for Tonya Harding, hello. CALLER: Hello. Tonya, I was wondering if you think that you should re-evaluate your
choices in the men that you have relationships with? HARDING: No. Actually Darren was a very nice man and a wonderful man
who believed in me and loved me unconditionally. And if I had that
opportunity to be with him again, I would do that, because he made me feel
very special. KING: So why isn't there some hope for that? Since he forgave you, he
asked the court not to do anything for you, and obviously since people
know all about it, it created interest in it, why isn't there some hope
for that relationship getting back together? HARDING: Well, if there is hope, it's in God's hands and it's going to
be between him and I, not between him and I and America. KING: All right, now what are your goals, now, Tonya? You'd like to --
Ice Capades to reconsider you. You'd like to skate professionally. No one
can ban you from skating professionally. HARDING: I would like to skate eventually, and maybe appearances or
things like that, teach skating to young kids and help out the community
in any way that I can. I have a CD that's out on our Web sites, and I have
music offers, and I'm also possibly doing the radio programs with
iata.com, which is a radio program on the Internet, and I'm just really
looking forward to being able to pick and choose the things that I would
really like to be able to do in my life to make a living, and you know, if
it's not skating, then that's OK. KING: You sing? HARDING: I'm sorry? KING: You sing? HARDING: Yes, I do. KING: What kind of songs are going to be in the CD? HARDING: Well, I sing contemporary. And when the Oklahoma City tragedy
happened, we released a CD the day that it happened. KING: So you sing gospel, too, religious-type songs as well? HARDING: Yes, I do. Linda, and Greg, and I and their niece recorded
amazing grace, which is also on my CD. KING: How old are you now? HARDING: I'm 29. KING: Do you feel older... HARDING: I do feel older. KING: ... with all you've gone through. HARDING: I do. I do. (LAUGHTER) KING: How long -- by the way, how long can a good skater -- let's say
you were in Ice Capades or something. Is there an age where the skater has
to continue stopping -- think about stopping? In most athletes, I guess is
the mid to late 30s. Can you skate into your 40s? HARDING: I really don't know. I think so. Peggy Fleming still skates, I
think, and Dorothy skates, and there's a lot of people. I would love to be
able to skate as long as I can walk, and maybe a little slower, but I'm
also... KING: Is there any skater, by the way, that you looked up to, that you
patterned yourself after when you were a youngster? HARDING: Well, I always really liked Peggy Fleming. She was a very good
role model for me, and I really looked up to her, and also Jo Jo Starbuck.
And for the men, I looked up to Scott Hamilton and Brian Boitano. KING: Just saw Scott yesterday. He's doing very well, by the way. HARDING: Is he? I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad. KING: And he defeated cancer. HARDING: Well, Larry, I also have to say congratulation on your little
boy Cameron -- Cannon, Cannon. KING: Yes, he's an ace. His big brother Chance loves him. His big
brother is 15 months. HARDING: Oh good, good. Well, congratulations. KING: Thank you, Tonya. Good luck. HARDING: Thank you. KING: Tonya Harding, and again, this is -- was her first interview
since that incident that occurred in February, and the case, and the plea
bargaining, and was sentenced on May 18. Tomorrow night, F. Lee Bailey will be with us. There's much in the news
these days over the supposed lie detector test given O.J. Simpson that he
stopped. We'll find out that whole story tomorrow night, as well as facing
some of his own problems, and lots to talk about with the whole field of
lie detection as well. We invite to you stay tuned now for CNN NEWSSTAND, which follows
immediately. I'm Larry King. For Tonya Harding, our whole crew here in Los Angeles,
have a great night. So long.